Alternative Fuel?

What is your view on alternative fuel energy? producing synthetic fuels from renewable feedstocks such as animal fat and grease, is this for real or is this just bs? thanks for your input


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12 Responses to “Alternative Fuel?”

  • FörtyTwö:

    It is not as alternative as people think.
    Historical background

    Transesterification of a vegetable oil was conducted as early as 1853 by scientists E. Duffy and J. Patrick, many years before the first diesel engine became functional. Rudolf Diesel’s prime model, a single 10 ft (3 m) iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its own power for the first time in Augsburg, Germany, on August 10, 1893. In remembrance of this event, August 10 has been declared "International Biodiesel Day". Diesel later demonstrated his engine and received the Grand Prix (highest prize) at the World Fair in Paris, France in 1900.

    This engine stood as an example of Diesel’s vision because it was powered by peanut oil — a biofuel, though not biodiesel, since it was not transesterified. He believed that the utilization of biomass fuel was the real future of his engine. In a 1912 speech Diesel said, "the use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and the coal-tar products of the present time.".[10]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
    The first Diesel Motor, which also the first internal combustion motor, ran on peanut oil.
    Biomass fuel has a long history, as seen here..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_fuel
    History

    Humans have used biomass fuels for heating and cooking since the discovery of fire. Following the discovery of electricity, it became possible to use biofuels to generate electrical power as well. However, the discovery and use of fossil fuels: coal, gas and oil, have dramatically reduced the amount of biomass fuel used in the developed world for transport, heat and power.

    Liquid biofuels have been used since the early days of the car industry. Nikolaus August Otto, the German inventor of the internal combustion engine, conceived his invention to run on ethanol. Rudolf Diesel, the German inventor of the Diesel engine, designed it to run on peanut oil. Henry Ford originally designed the Ford Model T, a car produced from 1903 to 1926, to run completely on ethanol. However, when crude oil became cheaply available (thanks to oil reserves discovered in Pennsylvania and Texas), cars began using fuels derived from mineral oil: petroleum or diesel.

    Nevertheless, before World War II, biofuels were seen as providing an alternative to imported oil. Germany powered its vehicles using a blend of gasoline with alcohol fermented from potatoes, called Reichskraftsprit. In Britain, grain alcohol was blended with petrol by the Distillers Company Limited under the name Discol and marketed through Esso’s affiliate Cleveland.

    After the war, cheap Middle Eastern oil lessened interest in biofuels. But the oil shocks of 1973 and 1979 increased interest from governments and academics. The counter-shock of 1996 again reduced oil prices and interest.

    In the United States, all cars manufactured since 1988 are required to be compatible with fuels containing at least 20% ethanol E20 fuel, and with minor modifications these cars can use 85% ethanol blended with petroleum E85 fuel. Since around 2000 renewed interest in biofuels has been seen. The drivers for biofuel use and development include rising oil prices, concerns over the potential oil peak, greenhouse gas emissions (global warming), rural development interests, and instability in the Middle East. The US president George W. Bush said in his 2006 State of the Union speech that the US should replace 75% of imported oil with biofuel by 2025.
    And then there is:
    Availability

    [edit] Waste vegetable oil

    As of 2000, the United States was producing in excess of 11 billion liters of waste vegetable oil annually, mainly from industrial deep fryers in potato processing plants, snack food factories and fast food restaurants. If all those 11 billion liters could be collected and used to replace the energetically equivalent amount of petroleum (a rather utopian case), almost 1% of US oil consumption could be offset.[5] However, use of waste vegetable oil as a fuel competes with some already established uses.

    [edit] Pure vegetable oil (pure plant oil)

    Pure plant oil (PPO) (or Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO)), in contrast to waste vegetable oil, is not a byproduct of other industries, and thus its prospects for use as fuel are not limited by the capacities of other industries. Production of vegetable oils for use as fuels is theoretically limited only by the agricultural capacity of a given economy.

    The UK exported 280 000 tonnes of rapeseed in 2005. If the UK used just its set aside land it could reach its 5% biofuel target without the need for exotic and environmentally damaging oil crop imports.
    Still uncertain on that;
    Then comes the taxation of all this World Saving Fuel; (sigh)
    Legal implications

    The conversion of an automobile engine to burn vegetable oil is not legal under US Environmental Protection Agency guidelines.[6] The EPA has not fined anyone for doing so, but certain laws may have to change — or a certification process may need to be established — before VO conversions become more popular in the US.

    [edit] Taxation of fuel

    Taxation on SVO/PPO as a road fuel varies from country to country, and it is possible the revenue departments in many countries are even unaware of its use, or feel it insufficiently significant to legislate. Germany offers 0% taxation, resulting in their leading on most developments of the fuel use. However SVO/PPO as a road fuel will be taxed with 0,09 €/liter on January, the 1st of 2008 in Germany. From thereon it will rise up to 0,45 €/liter until 2012.

    There seems to be no clear taxation system in the USA, however given the low rate of fuel taxation, it is unlikely to face anything unfavorable, although charges could vary from state to state. Production of biodiesel in some US regions may require motor fuel taxes to be paid, which are typically used to fund road construction costs.[7]

    The Government of Canada exempted biodiesel from the federal excise tax on diesel in the March 2003 budget. In Ireland a pilot scheme is currently running (as of April 2006) whereby eight suppliers have been approved to sell SVO/PPO for use as a fuel without the payment of excise duty (Value Added Tax at 21% still applies, SVO from any other source still attracts excise duty at 36.8058 Euro cents per litre plus 21% VAT). Despite its use being common in France, it would appear there has been no legislation to cover this.

    In the UK, it is legal once duty on the fuel is paid.[8] In the UK, drivers using SVO/PPO have been prosecuted for failure to pay duty to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs. The rate of taxation on SVO was originally set at a reduced rate of 27.1p per litre, but in late 2005, HMRC started to enforce the full diesel excise rate of 47.1p per litre.

    The tax break has been reconfirmed by HMRC in a recent late 2006 review.[9] HM Revenue & Customs has announced changes regarding the administration and collection of excise duty of biofuels and other fuel substitutes (Veg Oil). The changes which come into effect on June 30, 2007 mean that there is no need to register (enter premises) or pay duty on veg oil used as road fuel if you use less than 2500 litres per year.[10]

    HMRC argued that SVOs/PPOs on the market from small producers did not meet the official definition of "biodiesel" in Section 2AA of The Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979 (HODA), and consequently was merely a "fuel substitute" chargeable at the normal diesel rate. Such a policy seemed to contradict the UK Government’s commitments to the Kyoto Protocol and to many EU directives and had many consequences, including an attempt to make the increase retroactive, with one organization being presented with a £16,000 back tax bill. This change in the rate of excise duty has effectively removed any commercial incentive to use SVO/PPO, regardless of its desirability on environmental grounds; unless waste vegetable oil can be obtained free of charge, the combined price of SVO/PPO and taxation for its use usually exceeds the price of mineral diesel. HMRC’s interpretation is being widely challenged by the SVO/PPO industry and the UK pure Plant Oil Association (UKPPOA) has been formed to represent the interests of people using vegetable oil as fuel and to lobby parliament.[11]
    Animal fat or grease can be used also, and has been.
    The BS, methane, can and has been used a fuel and power source.

  • sahel578:

    I dont care if my car runs on old water bottles (in fact, I wish it did). We need alternatives, I am open to all attempts.

  • Evan M:

    Using the methods and resources available right now, we can only replace a very small proportion of the fossil fuels we use. It is already distorting world food production, but it is really the only answer we have to the fuel crisis. Some people are picking oil-producing algae as the best way to go forwards.

  • jhon 101:

    oh its not BS. there was this study where these guys got a regular van, and went to McDonalds, asked for the grese that was used to fry the fries, strained it, and they got the exact same amout of gas miles as regular gas. they said they smelt french fries the whole way and got hungy alot lol. it works. the Mythbusters even tried it, and success

  • Wild Bill:

    We can make fuel from alternative sources. It is possible to seriously decrease the amount of pollution and energy crises. However, this is not something we can do over night. We have an economy and a way of life. This transition is going to have to be slow in order for our world to adjust to it. We must invent a petroleum patch!!!

  • brian777999:

    At the moment it is just BS but they are working on better chemical processes to make it more economically viable.
    The problem is they are cutting down rainforests in order to grow sugar cane (ethanol) and palm oil (bio-diesel). They are creating more problems then they are solving.

  • Yousif (Joe) R:

    I think Nuclear power — harnessing the power of the atom is probably a more realistic fuel idea — once we can make it safer and cheaper…

    Have you ever heard of the "advanced civilization" ranking:
    Class 1: Civilization that has managed to harness energy from its own planet (we are at this level).
    Class 2: Civilization that has managed to harness the energy of their home star (we are getting there).
    Class 3: Civilization that has managed to harness the energy of the universe and direct it to its own need (far into the future).

    – Just a nice little thought…

  • Super Team:

    it is for real,but too much people are still stuck in the 20th century.The are such alternative fuels such as propane(even though it is only used for cooking at the moment),biodiesel(made from plants and animal grease),hydrogen fuel(dueterium which is found in the oceans),oxygen,solar,etc.Mankind has yet to discover them,this fossil fuel grip has to be broken first(run out of fossil fuel) in order for us to be ”forced” to use them.

  • G-gal:

    Its got to be better than trying to use corn, as mentioned above no one seemed to really consider that this would affect not only the cost of corn but also of livestock which requires corn and many other products that used corn.

  • Elliott J:

    Alt. fuel is great in theory, and with time may be developed as a supplement (not replacement for gasoline).

    It all has to do with economy of scale. Making it cost effective. Right now, ethanol made from corn cost more to produce than the current price of gasoline.

    There is also something else to consider.

    Currently ethanol is typically mixed with your gasoline as a 10% mixture. Higher percentages of ethanol in your gas (as proposed by some legislators) will work fine in your car, but will make your engine run hotter – thus creating a new market requirement for higher temp. engine oils, and reduced life of certain engine components.

    Also, it puts a strain on the corn stockpile supplies as many corn contracts to foreign countries are already committed for delivery at a predetermined price. Making corn more expensive as a food supply and ingredient component for many foods.

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